The 2009 class

[Prime T. Tiger]

Ok ppl,before I get started on this post.I wanna explain that I
realize I could be way,way off on this.But basicly just for fun.
I thought I would(on this date-12-14)do a list of what I thought
Dabo's first class might look like in Febuaury,& here it goes...



WR-Kendall Kelly
OL-JK Jay
LB-Corico Hawkins
OL-Brandon Thomas
LB-Quandon Christain
FB-Tyler Shatley
LB-Eric Fields
DB-Jonthan Meeks
DL-Milliciah Goodman
RB-Rodrick McDowell
LB-Spencer Shuey
OL-Jerquari Schofield
DL-Leon Mackey
WR-BrYce McNeal
RB-Tim Simon
DB-Jayron Hosley
QB-Tajh Boyd
TE-Darrell Smith



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updated list-Jan-28-09

[planotrw]

I've got to hand it to you, Prime T. That is undoubtedly the most optimistic post I have ever read! But I love your approach! Go Tigers!

[Zantetsuken]

Valiant attempt Prime Time; this may be Clemson's most difficult class to predict ever. That being said, you threw out some names that Clemson has shots for, but I think we're a bit on the optimistic side. I think we can pull a few of those guys, but for all of them to fall just right would require the stars to align just so.

K. Kelly - We need Bama to fill up on other receivers (they are carring about 4-5 on their board and have room for 2 or so). If that happens, we'll have a great shot.
S. Montgomery - Who the hell knows where he's going at this point. A bold prediction...I'm not even going to try to predict where he's going.
J. Boyd - If we can get him on campus we'll have a chance...but I think any projection other than UNC is a bit over the top at this point.
B. Moore - If Bama wants him, he's theirs...if they don't, we'll be there to scoop him up.
B. Massie - Lots of work to do here...I'd put Bama and UGA in front of us and possibly even Miami...we absolutely MUST secure an OV and hope that it's not too late.
B. Brown - Not happening...he's a Cane.
L. Mackey - Looking a lot better after this weekend, but we'll have to survive next weekend's visit to Va Tech (who he committed to out of HS).
J. Bostic - Reportedly in the thick of it with LSU and Florida. If both of those schools fill up (very possible as both have many LB's still on their board) we have an excellent chance. If not, we could be in a tough position.
P. Lutzenkirchen - Don't think we pull him back...he may be Gator bound...if so, does that give us a chance with D. Parks though?
J. Hosley - Like this one...Tigers have a great shot at him
T. McCaskill - Another one that I think the Tigers have a good shot at and have for a while...the only question is how hard the Tigers will press him/actively recruit him.
R. Sanders - Don't think so...while we could get back in it with him, I just think that we have too many players higher on our board...we'd have to strike out a pretty good bit at WR before we fell to Sanders and it might be too late by then.
S. Barringont - Like this one. I think the Tigers have a great shot at landing this kid.

Nice list...like I said, we could end up with any of the kids on your list...I just don't think we have the unbelievable luck to sign all of them...that would be a monster class if we did.

[Prime T. Tiger]

Valiant attempt Prime Time; this may be Clemson's most difficult class to predict ever. That being said, you threw out some names that Clemson has shots for, but I think we're a bit on the optimistic side. I think we can pull a few of those guys, but for all of them to fall just right would require the stars to align just so.

K. Kelly - We need Bama to fill up on other receivers (they are carring about 4-5 on their board and have room for 2 or so). If that happens, we'll have a great shot.
S. Montgomery - Who the hell knows where he's going at this point. A bold prediction...I'm not even going to try to predict where he's going.
J. Boyd - If we can get him on campus we'll have a chance...but I think any projection other than UNC is a bit over the top at this point.
B. Moore - If Bama wants him, he's theirs...if they don't, we'll be there to scoop him up.
B. Massie - Lots of work to do here...I'd put Bama and UGA in front of us and possibly even Miami...we absolutely MUST secure an OV and hope that it's not too late.
B. Brown - Not happening...he's a Cane.
L. Mackey - Looking a lot better after this weekend, but we'll have to survive next weekend's visit to Va Tech (who he committed to out of HS).
J. Bostic - Reportedly in the thick of it with LSU and Florida. If both of those schools fill up (very possible as both have many LB's still on their board) we have an excellent chance. If not, we could be in a tough position.
P. Lutzenkirchen - Don't think we pull him back...he may be Gator bound...if so, does that give us a chance with D. Parks though?
J. Hosley - Like this one...Tigers have a great shot at him
T. McCaskill - Another one that I think the Tigers have a good shot at and have for a while...the only question is how hard the Tigers will press him/actively recruit him.
R. Sanders - Don't think so...while we could get back in it with him, I just think that we have too many players higher on our board...we'd have to strike out a pretty good bit at WR before we fell to Sanders and it might be too late by then.
S. Barringont - Like this one. I think the Tigers have a great shot at landing this kid.

Nice list...like I said, we could end up with any of the kids on your list...I just don't think we have the unbelievable luck to sign all of them...that would be a monster class if we did.
I agree with what you said.....
Some,I have to rethink alittle since I made that post.But
I do I think we have a shot with all of those,like you said.

#21

[Prime T. Tiger]

Man,Boyd is going make it tough on the Tigers eh.If we can't
land him,maybe Kelly and McNeal fall our way....maybe!
#21

[Prime T. Tiger]

I've got to hand it to you, Prime T. That is undoubtedly the most optimistic post I have ever read! But I love your approach! Go Tigers!

I try to keep that list updated as info comes along.See the list
again & let me know..............#21

[planotrw]

I try to keep that list updated as info comes along.See the list
again & let me know..............#21

The list is more believable as time goes on. I think there are still some extreme long shots, but not as many as the original. But like I said before, I love your optimism. With some of the negative posts we've had here lately, we can use your outlook. Good job.

[Prime T. Tiger]

The list is more believable as time goes on. I think there are still some extreme long shots, but not as many as the original. But like I said before, I love your optimism. With some of the negative posts we've had here lately, we can use your outlook. Good job.
What you have to keep in mind,Clemson has a serious shot with
everyone I have on that list.Its realistic.....#21

[Tiger80]

We have a month to change some people's minds. Remember that this staff has some really good recruiters, especially if Steele comes on board soon (Losing West will hurt).

[TigerTheory]

Does anyone have a list of possibles that Steele might bring with him?

[Prime T. Tiger]

Does anyone have a list of possibles that Steele might bring with him?

Not sure if hes even on the recruiting trail yet,back ground checks
are still being done.It would be nice if he could lure Kendall Kelly
with him....#21

[TigerTheory]

My opinion is that if he brings anyone it will be defensive guys. But who knows we will take em in and give em a BETTER experience at Clemson!

[Prime T. Tiger]

My list is constantly changing,but I am really hoping we can
some how lure Jharanie Boyd to Clemson.As of today,1-9-09.
My top 5 wish list would go....
Mike Gillislee-RB
Jharanie Boyd-WR
Bobby Massie-OL
Jarvis Jones-LB
Sam Montgomery-DE
And before someone lets me know it,no I really don't expect
to sign all 5 of them....#21

[planotrw]

[QUOTE=Prime T. Tiger;9041]My list is constantly changing,but I am really hoping we can
some how lure Jharanie Boyd to Clemson.As of today,1-9-09.
My top 5 wish list would go....
Mike Gillislee-RB


Why did you back off of Bryce Brown in favor of Gillislee? I mean, while we're wishing.....

But I agree that we probably have a better shot at Gillislee. Plus the fact that Gillislee would probably be a slot receiver and part-time back while Brown would probably be the opposite.

[Zantetsuken]

Gillislee - see my comments in the thread DVM made about him. I think that you'll get your wish on this one Prime
J. Boyd - very, very tough right now. We need to get him on campus and it's sounding more and more like that may not happen. Sadly, we may whiff on this guy.
B. Massie - No chance (as of right now). He's not taking an official visit to us and without that, the Tigers won't get him.
J. Jones - That ship has sailed. He's SEC bound to either Florida (leader), UGA (still has a chance) or LSU (outside shot). If he ended up anywhere outside of those three (I suppose USC has a slim chance as well), I'd be shocked.
S. Montgomery - Working him hard. LSU has to be the favorite, but Clemson is working very hard with him and while our chances are slim (currently), I wouldn't be too awfully quick to write us off with him...we may be able to work some last minute magic.

[Prime T. Tiger]

Gillislee - see my comments in the thread DVM made about him. I think that you'll get your wish on this one Prime
J. Boyd - very, very tough right now. We need to get him on campus and it's sounding more and more like that may not happen. Sadly, we may whiff on this guy.
B. Massie - No chance (as of right now). He's not taking an official visit to us and without that, the Tigers won't get him.
J. Jones - That ship has sailed. He's SEC bound to either Florida (leader), UGA (still has a chance) or LSU (outside shot). If he ended up anywhere outside of those three (I suppose USC has a slim chance as well), I'd be shocked.
S. Montgomery - Working him hard. LSU has to be the favorite, but Clemson is working very hard with him and while our chances are slim (currently), I wouldn't be too awfully quick to write us off with him...we may be able to work some last minute magic.
I updated the class again above,check it out now..only thing is.
I think they sign between 19-21...I think I have 18 on there.
Who would you add?...#21

[Tiger80]

I will be ecstatic if we end up with a top-25 recruiting class. Anything better than top-20 will be incredible given the turnover in coaching staff and head coach!

[TigerTheory]

Dont get too much more excited about this years class. Weve got pretty much our best players soft verbals now. If we get anymore it will be maybe ONE more bigtime WR...another DB...and another OL. Maybe 3 more four star guys and the rest ???? No five stars.

[Prime T. Tiger]

I wanted to pass along alittle input for you recruiting folks,like me.
Yeah,this isn't going be what you wanna hear.But its probably the
truth(more less)1st,ya gotta know how recruiting works.;) This
thing is basicly a game.Dabo insists that it will be a great class &
it very well "could" be.And he will not go to ANY "fall back" players.
Next....Dabo and his staff(any staff for that matter)is going tell
you no matter who they sign,its a great class.And even if they do
go back to fall back players.They're not going admit that either.
Can you imagine the coaches going into a kid's home and saying..
"well son,I want you to come to Clemson,but!!..only reason is.
Well its because I couldn't get the other kid I wanted.".....Folks
that wouldn't sell at all.To the school,you,the media or anyone else
for that matter.I have no doubt that the staff will recruit the best
possible players they can.But I don't expect for a minute that it
will be all,or even most of the guys they wanna get.There WILL
be some fall back players signed....U can bet on that.......#21

[TigerTheory]

Honestly, I dont care who they bring in as long as the Oline is better!

[xlcock86]

Honestly, I dont care who they bring in as long as the Oline is better!I know how you feel!!!!

[Prime T. Tiger]

I know how you feel!!!!
The OL should be better for a variety of reasons.
-First,its another year for those guys to gel together.I
think we played alot of youngsters;As Danny would say.
Next.Several guys who reshirted last year should get a
shot to make a difference next year.Also,Dabo has several
verbal commitments who will have a chance to be good line-
man in a couple years or so.Plus,ya boy Brad Scott will only
have to focus on centers/guards.(with the help of Pearman)
So yeah....I will say the Ol will be better in 2009.But how
much better is yet to be seen............#21

[xlcock86]

The OL should be better for a variety of reasons.
-First,its another year for those guys to gel together.I
think we played alot of youngsters;As Danny would say.
Next.Several guys who reshirted last year should get a
shot to make a difference next year.Also,Dabo has several
verbal commitments who will have a chance to be good line-
man in a couple years or so.Plus,ya boy Brad Scott will only
have to focus on centers/guards.(with the help of Pearman)
So yeah....I will say the Ol will be better in 2009.But how
much better is yet to be seen............#21By the way Brad Scott sucks... Just sayin..

[TigerTheory]

The OL should be better for a variety of reasons.
-First,its another year for those guys to gel together.I
think we played alot of youngsters;As Danny would say.
Next.Several guys who reshirted last year should get a
shot to make a difference next year.Also,Dabo has several
verbal commitments who will have a chance to be good line-
man in a couple years or so.Plus,ya boy Brad Scott will only
have to focus on centers/guards.(with the help of Pearman)
So yeah....I will say the Ol will be better in 2009.But how
much better is yet to be seen............#21

Thats what I thought this year. A lot is yet to be seen. Theyd better be better. I hope we get Quinton Washington.

[xlcock86]

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?SID=880&Year=2009&School=13

[Prime T. Tiger]

Thats what I thought this year. A lot is yet to be seen. Theyd better be better. I hope we get Quinton Washington.

Hey XLCock-Yes..:D I know Scott sucks. But don't tell that to
the folks who think that Dabo should be HC.Since Dabo wants him
here,that means hes a great coach :confused:

THERORY-Honestly...before the season started,I said the two
biggest areas of concern were OL and LB.So no,I didn't think
the OL would be better in 08.NOW!....with that said they should
be better in 09....Good or great,probably not.Better,yes.But I
do still see some concerns there,especially at guard.....#21

[03alum]

Hey XLCock-Yes..:D I know Scott sucks. But don't tell that to
the folks who think that Dabo should be HC.Since Dabo wants him
here,that means hes a great coach :confused:

THERORY-Honestly...before the season started,I said the two
biggest areas of concern were OL and LB.So no,I didn't think
the OL would be better in 08.NOW!....with that said they should
be better in 09....Good or great,probably not.Better,yes.But I
do still see some concerns there,especially at guard.....#21

Prime T. , I have to disagree. I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised by our o-line next year. There will be alot of returning starters and some quality depth.

[Prime T. Tiger]

Prime T. , I have to disagree. I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised by our o-line next year. There will be alot of returning starters and some quality depth.

I'm not picking on you,so please don't take it that way.
But the problem with ALOT of Clemson fans is because
they are Tiger fans.It really clouds their judgement.They
feel because they want someone to be successful,that
they can't say anything neggative about them.If they do,
then they're not a true fan.
Example;Folks at work asked me about the Wake/Clem BB
game.(my thoughts)-I said CU would lose.Their response
was,Ahh,you're not a true fan.I said no,I'm a true fan.I
just don't think we will win.The next day,they have to come
back with egg on their face saying,Sorry.You were right.
It happens all the time.
Listen,I pull hard for Clemson all the time.As much as anyone.
But I don't look through orange colored glasses.And I try
to see things for what they are.And I don't see Clemson's
OL being a strengh in 2009 for the fb team.There are serious
concerns on offense for 09.So if I'm wrong.Fine.But just
remember I told you guys this................#21;)

[03alum]

I'm not picking on you,so please don't take it that way.
But the problem with ALOT of Clemson fans is because
they are Tiger fans.It really clouds their judgement.They
feel because they want someone to be successful,that
they can't say anything neggative about them.If they do,
then they're not a true fan.
Example;Folks at work asked me about the Wake/Clem BB
game.(my thoughts)-I said CU would lose.Their response
was,Ahh,you're not a true fan.I said no,I'm a true fan.I
just don't think we will win.The next day,they have to come
back with egg on their face saying,Sorry.You were right.
It happens all the time.
Listen,I pull hard for Clemson all the time.As much as anyone.
But I don't look through orange colored glasses.And I try
to see things for what they are.And I don't see Clemson's
OL being a strengh in 2009 for the fb team.There are serious
concerns on offense for 09.So if I'm wrong.Fine.But just
remember I told you guys this................#21;)

I know you're not picking on me and I understand what you're saying. And believe me, I don't look through orange colored glasses and am not afraid to "call it as I see it" What makes me optimistic about our line is we will have ALOT more experience next year than we had in 08 or 07. All of our starters return and the 2nd stringer will have experience. Also, these younger guys have a whole spring and summer to get faster, stronger, and meaner. I believe the attitudes of these guys will change with Dabo in charge and I think that will lead to a noticeable improvement. AND, hopefully we can avoid all the injuries that we had this past season.

I AM concerned with our QB and WR situation though. Most of these guys won't have any meaningful experience. I'm also worried about our linebackers on defense. I don't think we've recruited up to our potential at this position in a while now, and there won't be a whole lot of experience there either.

I don't know if I'm right about our o-line, but I sure hope I am

[Hopefultiger]

Well, I try to not wear Orange Glasses either, but I do try and see things from a positive (but hopefully not unreasonable) light. I see us going 8-4 next season (possibly 9-3).

I think that our main concern on defense is Safety, not LBs. They started off WEAK, but were really making good plays down the stretch and were making hits that I haven't seen from a Clemson squad in a while. So I feel pretty good at LB next year. We need some of our new safeties to step up in a big way. I'm not too concerned with the DL either. Sure we lose two good interior linemen, but they were out for most of the year anyway. Plus I don't give a crap what anyone says, our DL isn't all that great anyway. They are pretty stout vs. the run (mostly), but we SUCK at getting to the QB. When we blitz, we still SUCK at getting to the QB. So we have some new players in there, I doubt that they will be any worse. In short, I expect that our defense will continue to be a strength of the team.

There are certainly reasons to be concerned on offense. Most of those concerns are well founded. We've lost considerably in the skill player department (although CJ staying certainly made that MUCH less painful). Our OL played very poorly for most of the year. This begs the questions:
1. Do we drop in output from skill positions?
2. Do we get better on OL?
3. Do we have a QB that can perform?

Which is really a long winded version of asking Are we going to be better next year or not? I think the key to this question will be how our OL fairs this off season. First of all I think there's no question that the offensive line will be BETTER this next year. Add a year's maturity, weight room, spring and fall camp and they almost can't help getting better. Hopefully a LOT better. Add in new talent in Dalton Feeman, Ken Page, and (I can't remember the name, but he was a 3 star guy), and hopefully we can get some quality depth across the line. It's reasonable to assume that our OL should be at least mediocre next year.
That brings us to the skill players we've lost. No doubt that we can't replace James Davis, Cullen Harper, Aaron Kelly, and Grisham in our lineup. However, to have a better team, we don't need to. Look at the numbers on these guys this year. NONE of them had even 'good' numbers. I'm not blaming them necessarily, but if you can't get your skill players the ball with a chance to do something with it, you might as well not have the skill players in the 1st place.

So let's break it down by skill position and see what we have:
QB - No doubt that this is a question mark. Korn or Parker will most likely start for us next year. How they will fair is anyone's guess. There is reason for optomism though. Both these guys were VERY highly rated QBs out of HS and both have a year in the system (Korn has two). It's not too much to ask that they simply not lose games for us. This was Harper's task this year and obviously it didn't work out. The pick 6 in the 1st quarter became almost expected. The key here is to get the guy on the field that can hit the medium/long range receivers. Until we can do this, our offense will struggle. In 2006 VT came up with the formula to beat Clemson. Stack the box, play physical, deny the short game (run and pass) and dare us to beat you deep. We've never found an answer to this and until we do we will continue to be dominated in games vs. quality opponents. Hopefully, one of our QBs has an arm.

RB - With CJ back, no worries here. Let CJ carry us as much as he can and get Ellington and Harper their touches as well. Should be fine.

WR - Again with the questions. With Kelly and Grisham leaving, there is no clear cut replacement for them. Obviously Ford will be returning for his senior year and he should be the 'go to' guy. We've got Rendrick Taylor, Xavier Dye, Marion Jones (and several RS freshman... Brown in particular) and possibly a couple of true freshman that could contribute. Don't forget Dwayne Allen at TE either. We need for at least one of these guys to step up and help Ford out. Again, considering the talent level, not too much to ask.

So in conclusion, I say that we will be a bit better next year overall with the improved OL making up for what we lose in skill positions. We won't be world beaters though. Our QBs will struggle (as will the OL) in the games vs really good defenses (FSU, GT, BC), but overall the offense will be somewhat improved production-wise from last year. On defense, we will still be strong, but not quite as good as 2008. We can't replace our two safeties and that will cost us defensively. Here's the predictions for the 11 games we know about.

MTSU - Win
Coastal Carolina - Win
@ Maryland - Win
Wake Forest - Win
@ NC State - Lose
FSU - Lose
BC - Lose
UVA - Win
@ GT - Lose
@ Miami - Win
@ USC - Win

Note that I consider Miami, GT, BC, NC State (MUCH IMPROVED), WF, USC, and Maryland to be 'tossup' games that could go either way. Assuming that our 12th game is a win and that we'll probably lose to FSU, I'll say we win 4/7 of the tossup games and finish the season at 8-4 (2nd or 3rd place in the Atlantic again).

[xlcock86]

Yeah sure...

I see us going 8-4 next season (possibly 9-3).

[Pawsitive Tiger]

Well, I try to not wear Orange Glasses either, but I do try and see things from a positive (but hopefully not unreasonable) light. I see us going 8-4 next season (possibly 9-3).

I think that our main concern on defense is Safety, not LBs. They started off WEAK, but were really making good plays down the stretch and were making hits that I haven't seen from a Clemson squad in a while. So I feel pretty good at LB next year. We need some of our new safeties to step up in a big way. I'm not too concerned with the DL either. Sure we lose two good interior linemen, but they were out for most of the year anyway. Plus I don't give a crap what anyone says, our DL isn't all that great anyway. They are pretty stout vs. the run (mostly), but we SUCK at getting to the QB. When we blitz, we still SUCK at getting to the QB. So we have some new players in there, I doubt that they will be any worse. In short, I expect that our defense will continue to be a strength of the team.

There are certainly reasons to be concerned on offense. Most of those concerns are well founded. We've lost considerably in the skill player department (although CJ staying certainly made that MUCH less painful). Our OL played very poorly for most of the year. This begs the questions:
1. Do we drop in output from skill positions?
2. Do we get better on OL?
3. Do we have a QB that can perform?

Which is really a long winded version of asking Are we going to be better next year or not? I think the key to this question will be how our OL fairs this off season. First of all I think there's no question that the offensive line will be BETTER this next year. Add a year's maturity, weight room, spring and fall camp and they almost can't help getting better. Hopefully a LOT better. Add in new talent in Dalton Feeman, Ken Page, and (I can't remember the name, but he was a 3 star guy), and hopefully we can get some quality depth across the line. It's reasonable to assume that our OL should be at least mediocre next year.
That brings us to the skill players we've lost. No doubt that we can't replace James Davis, Cullen Harper, Aaron Kelly, and Grisham in our lineup. However, to have a better team, we don't need to. Look at the numbers on these guys this year. NONE of them had even 'good' numbers. I'm not blaming them necessarily, but if you can't get your skill players the ball with a chance to do something with it, you might as well not have the skill players in the 1st place.

So let's break it down by skill position and see what we have:
QB - No doubt that this is a question mark. Korn or Parker will most likely start for us next year. How they will fair is anyone's guess. There is reason for optomism though. Both these guys were VERY highly rated QBs out of HS and both have a year in the system (Korn has two). It's not too much to ask that they simply not lose games for us. This was Harper's task this year and obviously it didn't work out. The pick 6 in the 1st quarter became almost expected. The key here is to get the guy on the field that can hit the medium/long range receivers. Until we can do this, our offense will struggle. In 2006 VT came up with the formula to beat Clemson. Stack the box, play physical, deny the short game (run and pass) and dare us to beat you deep. We've never found an answer to this and until we do we will continue to be dominated in games vs. quality opponents. Hopefully, one of our QBs has an arm.

RB - With CJ back, no worries here. Let CJ carry us as much as he can and get Ellington and Harper their touches as well. Should be fine.

WR - Again with the questions. With Kelly and Grisham leaving, there is no clear cut replacement for them. Obviously Ford will be returning for his senior year and he should be the 'go to' guy. We've got Rendrick Taylor, Xavier Dye, Marion Jones (and several RS freshman... Brown in particular) and possibly a couple of true freshman that could contribute. Don't forget Dwayne Allen at TE either. We need for at least one of these guys to step up and help Ford out. Again, considering the talent level, not too much to ask.

So in conclusion, I say that we will be a bit better next year overall with the improved OL making up for what we lose in skill positions. We won't be world beaters though. Our QBs will struggle (as will the OL) in the games vs really good defenses (FSU, GT, BC), but overall the offense will be somewhat improved production-wise from last year. On defense, we will still be strong, but not quite as good as 2008. We can't replace our two safeties and that will cost us defensively. Here's the predictions for the 11 games we know about.

MTSU - Win
Coastal Carolina - Win
@ Maryland - Win
Wake Forest - Win
@ NC State - Lose
FSU - Lose
BC - Lose
UVA - Win
@ GT - Lose
@ Miami - Win
@ USC - Win

Note that I consider Miami, GT, BC, NC State (MUCH IMPROVED), WF, USC, and Maryland to be 'tossup' games that could go either way. Assuming that our 12th game is a win and that we'll probably lose to FSU, I'll say we win 4/7 of the tossup games and finish the season at 8-4 (2nd or 3rd place in the Atlantic again).

I agree with your player analysis...however i don't agree with your "Win/Loss" selections. {although 8-4 seems right}

I don't see us losing to BC this year...they will actually be worse next year on both sides of the ball and will be adjusting to a new coach also.

Miami is a toss up and i think we will lose to them.

I think the GT game will be a Clemson victory...I'm positive that LSU showed a kink in that GT armor and i'm confident we'll shut that down.

Unfortunately i think we lose to the Chickens next season...

[Hopefultiger]

I agree with your player analysis...however i don't agree with your "Win/Loss" selections. {although 8-4 seems right}

I don't see us losing to BC this year...they will actually be worse next year on both sides of the ball and will be adjusting to a new coach also.

Miami is a toss up and i think we will lose to them.

I think the GT game will be a Clemson victory...I'm positive that LSU showed a kink in that GT armor and i'm confident we'll shut that down.

Unfortunately i think we lose to the Chickens next season...

I see where you are coming from. As I said before, I consider 7 games tossups and you can pick them however you want. GT is losing some guys to the NFL on defense and frankly, we did a great job vs. their offense, only allowing two scores (minus the pick 6). We could definately win that game and lose to Miami. I actually thought about 6 games as tossups and calling the BC game a win. However, we constantly have trouble with big physical teams and BC will still be all that. We should win it, but we tend not to play well vs BC. There's no one on our schedule we can't beat. I've just learned not to expect too much.

[xlcock86]

Clemson @ 31 on Rivals site.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?Year=2009&Page=2&PosType=0&Sort=0

[Tiger80]

We have a small class coming in, so we should not be expected to be very high. One year of mediocre recruiting does not make or break you. We may come in a little higher after national signing day if Boyd and one or two others sign with us.

[xlcock86]

We have a small class coming in, so we should not be expected to be very high. One year of mediocre recruiting does not make or break you. We may come in a little higher after national signing day if Boyd and one or two others sign with us.
It looks like Boyd will be a Tiger..

[Prime T. Tiger]

It looks like Boyd will be a Tiger..

Tigers have a shot,but you'll never know for sure till signing day.

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[Hopefultiger]

Tigers have a shot,but you'll never know for sure till signing day.

#21

Amen brother. I wouldn't put too much stock in the announcement today no matter who he chooses. This kid is all over the place and really doesn't seem to have any idea where he wants to go. Prolly will come down to who talks to him last.

[TigerTheory]

I disagree Hopeful...I think hes done with all the media after today and with his surgery coming up, he will stick with his decision. I think he and his family are done with all the media probing. He will be relieved after he makes his decision and I just dont see him changing again. Its down to the last minute and he will sign with todays decision!

[Prime T. Tiger]

Man,I would love to add Bryce Brown & Dre Kirkpatrick.
But I'm not prepared to go on that limb....yet.Check
out the list above now.....#21